Selorin / Vade

[SilverMoon28]

Moderator note:
 There is great speculation on who Selorin will end up with. Some people think Vade, some people think Jekari. The debate will continue here.

This thread was split from another topic and some of the replies refer to things that are not here as well as the Selorin/Vade debate.

I would have to say my favorite sib is Selorin.  I love him.  I enjoy his scenes with Vade and secretly wish they would get together...

They will, they will they will!!!!

They will!

*looks at Matthew*

They will!!!!!

[TaraAngelX]

I would have to say my favorite sib is Selorin.  I love him.  I enjoy his scenes with Vade and secretly wish they would get together...

They will, they will they will!!!!

They will!

*looks at Matthew*

They will!!!!!

...At the risk of being pummeled by the rest of the board... 
(Please board don't pummel me!)

I don't want Vade and Selorin to get together. *braces for the rotten food throwing* I think that Vade has a good and worthy future at home - and I think Selorin would be more interested in Vade by now if he were to be going that route. Especially since Orinakin and Selorin always seem to do everything exactly alike. I think here they are going to differ. I feel it's companionship - but not of that kind.

Even though Royal Greetings made me happy for a week.

[JaeFire]

...At the risk of being pummeled by the rest of the board... 
(Please board don't pummel me!)

I don't want Vade and Selorin to get together. *braces for the rotten food throwing*

Don't be afraid to post about that or get pummeled.  I feel the same way.  No need to feel alone.

Honestly, the only reason I don't feel the need to say anything anymore when Selorin/Vade gets brought is because I literally already had this debate (see http://matthewtime.livejournal.com/132676.html).  I had my say on Matthew's livejournal months ago, and feel that most of my arguments on the subject can pretty much be found in that post.

I no longer say anything, because I'm done with that debate, but I totally understand what you're saying.

- Jae

[lavcea]

They may not end up together.  It's just my own fantasy.  I love their chemistry and true enough Bade can do wonders for his country. 

It would be very interesting to see who does eventually catch Selorin's eye.   

[SilverMoon28]

lol, I'm sure Matthew's laughing at all of us debating about this, as he's already figured out who's going to be with Selorin.

*shiver*  This apartment's not warming up despite the heat finally being back... brrr

[Falconer]

Honestly, the only reason I don't feel the need to say anything anymore when Selorin/Vade gets brought is because I literally already had this debate (see http://matthewtime.livejournal.com/132676.html). 
- Jae

OMG, thank you so much for linking that page!! I'm really happy to see that Selorin/Jekari was already brought up since last year, to read the comments and see that other people are as crazy about it as I am!  Selarin/Jekari for the win! 

PS: Matthew, you should really consider using tags in your journal! Seriously. 

Edited to add: Okay, I know I really shouldn't comment on months-old posts, but I'm just gonna *say* this because I literally have to. Why think that Jekari wouldn't be "intellectually challenging"? We know next to nothing about him.  Alright. That's it. Just my 2 cents. Back to the scheduled programming.

[mc_cart_ny]

I adore Rini!  I think he's such a sweetie.  I know that some people have trouble reading Rini because he can be so hyper and people think he's either a bit flaky perhaps or selfish...but I think if anything the last several chapters about him going to visit T'rin show how unselfish he can be.  Everyone can be selfish at times and Rini wants to do something incredibly unselfish by going to the Plains to help out and essentially raise awareness of the situtation.  I have to say, I don't think that's something I could ever do.  I enjoy sleeping in beds, running water, and disease free situations too much to put myself in any type 3rd world situation.  I truly admire people that do that, but I know it's not for me.

And while I would love for Selorin and Vade to hook up, I don't see a relationship there - or at least nothing further than friendship.  It took me a while, but I got there lol  It helps that I have been shipping Selorin/Jekari for a looong time now.  It always makes me so happy to see other people shipping them too!

Selorin/Jekari FTW!!!

~McCartny~

P.S.  I *heart* Rini so much I named my car after him!

[JaeFire]

Edited to add: Okay, I know I really shouldn't comment on months-old posts, but I'm just gonna *say* this because I literally have to. Why think that Jekari wouldn't be "intellectually challenging"? We know next to nothing about him.  Alright. That's it. Just my 2 cents. Back to the scheduled programming.

I understand where you're coming from with this question, actually.  Here's my answer: I never meant to imply that Jekari wasn't "intellectually challenging" in general (there's nothing in ITL that indicates that he's not intelligent--after all, as it's been said before, going through training to be a bela requires extensive classes, in things like psychology and motivation--and Jekari's not just a regular bela, he's the head of a belam).  I don't mean to insult the guy.

BUT: I do assert that Jekari is not intellectually stimulating enough to be Selorin's husband (and this is of course basing it on my opinion that Selorin deserves someone who can challenge him intellectually in the same way that Bade challenges Orinakin emotionally).  Why?  Because in all the many, many times we've seen Selorin and Jekari together, they've never gotten INTO an intellectually invigorating conversation.  Yes, I know people are going to say, "But he's a bela!  That's his job!"  and "It doesn't mean he can't!"  

To which I answer: So what if it's his job?  So what if he can?  The princes have normal conversations with the belas all the time (Rini most especially), so I'm not saying that Jekari isn't capable of it.  My point is that even though Jekari and Selorin are capable of it, they don't. They choose not to.  To me, Selorin needs a man who can not only match him but challenge him intellectually, and that's not what he and Jekari primarily choose to do together in companionable non-silence, as it were.  

(I realize the argument could be brought forth that just because we've never seen it doesn't mean that they don't do it--but I'm basing my evidence on the text, and I can't recall anything even in summary or in passing or even in mild reference that indicates that they engage each other extensively in an academic way.)

The fact that Jekari and Selorin don't engage with each other that way is an indicator to me of what their normal dynamics are, what they've chosen to include in that dynamic---and what they've chosen not include.  There's nothing wrong with this.  Jekari is obviously Selorin's favorite bela, and he seems like a great guy, a perceptive person.

But that's not enough for me to ship him as Selorin's future husband.  It's not enough for me to see Jekari as having the potential to be to Selorin what Bade is to Orinakin--or else we would've seen them get together A LONG time ago.

Also, if I'm going to ship Jekari with anyone, it's Banok (see Ch.16 and Ch.121).

- Jae

[Falconer]

^^ Okay, fair enough.  Thanks for clarifying the 'intellectually challenging' bit! 

[JaeFire]

^^ Okay, fair enough.  Thanks for clarifying the 'intellectually challenging' bit! 

^________^  You're welcome. 

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

I *heart* Rini so much I named my car after him!

That is awesome.

Awesome awesome.

Trying to summarize the Selorin/Jekari and Selorin/Vade arguments.  Selorin/Jekari works because they have good sexual chemistry and obviously like each other, but Jekari's not intellectually stimulating enough for Selorin specifically.  Selorin/Vade doesn't work because there isn't a sexual attraction there.  Is Vade intellectually stimulating?  Enough for Selorin?

-Matthew

[JaeFire]

Selorin/Vade doesn't work because there isn't a sexual attraction there.  Is Vade intellectually stimulating?  Enough for Selorin?

-Matthew

Um...no.  Not to me.  Selorin has demonstrated over and over and over (most recently, his repeated looks over to Bade during the orgy) that he has a marked attraction to Bade--not Vade.  They may have the same body, but they're two separate people.  They're not interchangeable.  As a twin, Selorin knows that very well, and he's shown more of an attraction to Bade than he ever has in Vade.  If Vade isn't even more attractive to Selorin than Bade is, I don't see Selorin being attracted enough to fall in love with him and marry him.

Ch.27: Selorin and Orinakin talking about Orinakin's multiple orgasms with Bade:

“I knew that he’d be great in bed,” Selorin muttered to himself, pulling on a shirt.  “I knew it, I knew it, I told myself, back off, let Orinakin have him, there’s no sense in disrupting true love just for a good screw, but I knew-”

Ch.86: Selorin and Bade kissing:

Then Selorin’s tongue said something else, and Bade felt a low, simmering hum of arousal, and it was amazing, how good Selorin’s body felt in his arms.

The carriage stopped.  With a ragged breath, Selorin pulled away, looking flushed.  “You’re right,” he said breathlessly.  “I do need a boyfriend.”

Ch.91, Selorin speaking to Bade:

“It certainly appears to have been a good night, at any rate.”  Grinning, Selorin sat on the edge of the bed, reaching over and running a hand up Bade’s calf.  “If you’re bored with Orinakin already, Bade, don’t-”

Ch.114, Selorin speaking to Vade:

Selorin narrowed his eyes, one hand creeping over Bade’s thigh.  “If I tell you how intensely arousing I find Bade’s body, I’ll end up complimenting you by extension, and since I suspect that to be your intention, I’d prefer not to give you the satisfaction.”

Ch.121: Vade's POV, during the orgy, about Selorin

And whenever he bothered to look up from whoever’s ass he was currently plundering, he’d usually look right over at Orinakin’s bed.

Because he liked to watch Orinakin fuck?  Or because he was checking out Bade?  Whatever he saw over there invariably turned him on, because he’d kind of moan and touch himself and fuck a little harder, a little faster.

As for intellectual stimulation...well, I suppose if you had a really broad definition of what was intellectually stimulating--one that included lecturing someone constantly and pedantically--I suppose Vade could be intellectually stimulating...  But that's not the kind of intellectual challenge I see setting Selorin on fire. 

- Jae

[Falconer]

Selorin/Jekari works because they have good sexual chemistry and obviously like each other, but Jekari's not intellectually stimulating enough for Selorin specifically.
-Matthew

I just want to point out that I don't agree with the "Jekari is not intellectually stimulating enough for Selorin" argument. Not at all in fact.

PS: Leaving Jekari out of this, though, why would Selorin need someone who's as intellectual as him? None of the pairings so far involved people with similar inclinations/abilities...

[mc_cart_ny]

Sorry, Tara!  I know that you do like Rini more than you did in the beginning.  I'm also sure that there are other people out there that feel the same way as you.  As long as you are coming over to the light side, I think we can let your past transgressions slide    (Sorry, I think I'm in a silly mood tonight - George should be home soon hopefully and I'm getting kinda giddy lol)

I think that Vade could be one of Selorin's monthly boyfriends - if they didn't already have the friendship and the fact that their brothers are married and it could make things slightly awkward and Mindo would never agree to it.  But I don't think that they would ever be in a longterm relationship.  I think that Selorin is more attracted to Bade, but I think he's still attracted to Vade.  I feel like I remember there a moment when I was sure they were going to jump each other, when Vade backed up into Selorin when they entered the orgy in 121 I had a fleeting moment of hope but then I scrolled down the page more and they had gone their separate ways.  With that I pretty much gave up any hope of them ever hooking up.

On whether or not Jekari and Selorin could have a great, stimulating, intellectual conversation I'm not entirely sure of.  However, that's not going to stop me from shipping them hard.

~McCartny~

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

one that included lecturing someone constantly and pedantically

I think it's good that Orinakin's a little gentler than Selorin, and that Bade's less stubborn than Vade, or The Purple Book might've had a different tone to it.

-Matthew

[mc_cart_ny]

I just wrote an entire response and somehow managed to delete it entirely when I hit shift....DAMNIT!!!.. ..grrrrrr....Let me try this again.....

PS: Leaving Jekari out of this, though, why would Selorin need someone who's as intellectual as him? None of the pairings so far involved people with similar inclinations/abilities...

While I am obviously a fan of Jekari/Selorin, we don't have any proof as of yet as to what Jekari's intellect is.  It's understandable to believe that Selorin will wish to marry someone who he is not only sexually compatible with but also will be interested in discussing perhaps law, trials, history.  I'm not saying he's going to end up with a lawyer......he's going to end up with Jekari! lol

But the most of the brothers so far have dated/married men that are interested in their fields of study:

*While Bade may not be as knowledgable as Orinakin (in that he does not know as much about geography and history as Orinakin) he is interested in history, foreign policy, travel.  And because Orinakin is an empath and Bade's feelings are so strong it helped bring them together and make each other all the more fascinating.

*Talin is dating (and considering proposing to!) Hitari who is a famous model who knows a great deal about all aspects of art.

*Anosanim is beginning to date Riteik who may not do architecture, but he is into fashion and art - something that Anosanim infuses into his everyday life and is utterly passionate about.

*Kudorin wants only the best for his people and for them to be happy and healthy.  Xio Voe essentially wishes this for his people too.  They are both rulers who want the best for their people, they simply have differing views on what is best.

*Rini wants for the whole world to be as happy as he is.  He is always doing his best to put a smile on everyones face.  T'rin wants for his people to be safe and secure and happy.  They may live in two very different worlds, but in essence hope for the same thing.


OK, so I know I may be stretching a bit...especially on Rini, maybe......but I'm trying to make a point! lol

**Hugs and Candy for all!**

~McCartny~

[TaraAngelX]

OK, so I know I may be stretching a bit...especially on Rini, maybe......but I'm trying to make a point! lol

**Hugs and Candy for all!**

LOL. You are being silly tonight. I miss you! HUG! 

That being said those are all really good points. The brothers are probably, most likely, going to marry those they have common interests with, BUT who are essentially different in personality and culture. For Example:

Kudorin ans going to marry Xio Voe -- who is the opposite of everything Kudorin stands for. They have similar interests in that they want to improve the lives of their citizens and country, but that's where the similarities pretty much end. Oh Yeah - and they are gorgeous!

Talin and Hitari -- you couldn't have had two different childhoods. Growing up poor and having to work from a young age to sustain your family will make anyone jaded. Talin has such a resource in his family and Hitari, as far as we have seen, is his families resource and doesn't have many people to lean on.

Rini and Trin... Does it need to be said?

Bade and Orinakin -- while not as striking as the other three examples, Bade comes from a small, conservative, sheltered little country. I can't say anything bad about Bade though because I love him so much. I don't even think there are bad things to say. He was sheltered Orinakin was not - I think that is the furthest I can get in that comparison.

So, while they all share interests with each other they are essentially different people in background and sometimes beliefs.

That being said I could make an argument for either Vade or Jekari (though I support neither for the record).

Vade is VERY interested in History and the Courts and pretty much anything - just like Bade is. I don't know if Selorin could deal with Vade though because he tends to try to get away with things ... which may hurt Selorin's head too much. Selorin would need a very very honest man. And I am not saying Vade isn't honest, I'm just saying he grew up the youngest and has some negative traits as a result.

Jekari there is an obvious interest in sex and I believe Jekari is nothing but honest (seeing as I have no reason to believe otherwise). But until I see real proof that there is more than sex there I don't see much of a future. Now if proof was to come along, I may be swayed to the dark side. 

Oh and M! Tell George HI for me when he gets home!

~T

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

But the most of the brothers so far have dated/married men that are interested in their fields of study

I think you make a pretty solid point.  While we can also see a lot of "opposites attract" pairings (Kudorin/Xio Voe being the most obvious), we can also argue that most of these pairings are based on common ground/common interests.  Orinakin and Bade's marriage wouldn't work if Bade weren't interested in history, geography, foreign cultures, travel, etc.

Can we agree that Remin should marry someone fairly religious, and Desin shouldn't marry anyone who can't stand animals, and Selorin should marry someone honest?  Or are those things unimportant in light of other issues of compatibility and attraction?

-Matthew

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

And now folks go around posting while I'm still writing my post, and sneak in ahead of me.

So, while they all share interests with each other they are essentially different people in background and sometimes beliefs.

I guess it's just important, then, to find a balance there.  How much common ground you need versus how many differences will keep things interesting.

Bade didn't have Orinakin's immense wealth and power growing up, but that's relative.  I'd say that the largest difference between them is in experience and education.  But it could be argued that they share a lot of the same values and goals (especially as Bade's mind broadens).

As was said earlier, Xio Voe and Kudorin share a lot of the same goals.  They just have vastly different methods.

So Selorin should be with someone committed to justice.  (No, not Batman.)  And Desin should be with someone, what?  Someone who loves animals?  Someone who works hard?

-Matthew

[JaeFire]

I think it's good that Orinakin's a little gentler than Selorin, and that Bade's less stubborn than Vade, or The Purple Book might've had a different tone to it.

-Matthew

So very, very, very true.  Imagining Orinakin less gentle and understanding, and Bade as stubborn as Vade, makes me... 

- Jae

[JaeFire]

I just wrote an entire response and somehow managed to delete it entirely when I hit shift....DAMNIT!!!.. ..grrrrrr....Let me try this again.....

But the most of the brothers so far have dated/married men that are interested in their fields of study:
(EVERYTHING BELOW)

~McCartny~[/color]

You bring up beautiful, beautiful points.       

- Jae

[TaraAngelX]

So Selorin should be with someone committed to justice.  (No, not Batman.)  And Desin should be with someone, what?  Someone who loves animals?  Someone who works hard?

-Matthew

I think Selorin should be with someone who feels that honesty is very important and who can debate the points of law well. Who maybe can see things, just as honestly, but from a different side of the law.  ex. Human law vs. legal law.... or something of that nature.

Aw! Desin has to be with someone who like animals! Otherwise, they'll never get along with Norissa!

[SilverMoon28]

Very good point!

Desin should indeed be with someone who loves and understands nature as well as he does!

And Selorin, well... he has to be with someone who's trustworthy, honest, loyal (woof!!!!), and yeah, someone who he can talk to about work.  I'm sure he'll find the perfect someone soon (Vade!  Vade!  ).

Vani

[Susanne]

Selorin/Vade doesn't work because there isn't a sexual attraction there.  Is Vade intellectually stimulating?  Enough for Selorin?

-Matthew

WOW, man I'm so far behind on all these post. OK Matthew I really want to respond to this comment/question. Great question by the way. But first I need to go do some homework meaning I have to go skim through chapters and find a few things first because my memory is for crap.

All right I can see you all looking at me  ~~oh crap the Selorin/Vade woman~~  I know, I know I can see half of you looking at me like this    And the other half like this  ....lol   I adore you guys.

I love this board and I really enjoy reading everyones thoughts and comments. Everyone see's everything differently and I think that makes it more interesting and fun.....off to do home work

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

I love this board and I really enjoy reading everyones thoughts and comments. Everyone see's everything differently and I think that makes it more interesting and fun

It's a huge, huge compliment that folks actually want to spend their time discussing my work.  (In positive terms!)  It's terrific to see the discussions flourishing here, and the variety of opinions and interpretations.  Y'all are awesome.

OK Matthew I really want to respond to this comment/question.

I'd really like to hear your thoughts.  I'm counting on you to defend Selorin/Vade to the end!

-Matthew

[Susanne]

It's a huge, huge compliment that folks actually want to spend their time discussing my work.  (In positive terms!)  It's terrific to see the discussions flourishing here, and the variety of opinions and interpretations.  Y'all are awesome.

Well thats because your awesome, your writing keeps us on the edge of our seats. One week I can read a chapter and you have me second guessing the Selorin/Vade thing I got going and two weeks later I can read one sentence and you got me thinking "Yes, there meant to be I just know it!!"...lol  It's the guess, the cliff hangers the wondering, it keeps you wanting to come back week after week because you just have to see how it all works out.

OK Matthew I really want to respond to this comment/question.

I'd really like to hear your thoughts.  I'm counting on you to defend Selorin/Vade to the end!

-Matthew
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OH believe me I'm all over it...lol  I feel the strong need to defend these two and support them till the end !! 

                                                                 TEAM SELORIN/VADE

[JaeFire]

I feel the strong need to defend these two and support them till the end !! 

                                                                 TEAM SELORIN/VADE

You terrify me. (Where's a "terrified" emoticon when you need one?)

- Jae

[LilacMajesty]

What should really terrify you, is that Sue really does have horns just like that.

[Susanne]

What should really terrify you, is that Sue really does have horns just like that.

.....where's the love tonight, no love..

[Susanne]

You terrify me. (Where's a "terrified" emoticon when you need one?)

- Jae
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Sorry that was my evil inner twin this is really me    and don't listen to Liz she lies I tell you lies !!!

[JaeFire]

Sorry that was my evil inner twin this is really me    and don't listen to Liz she lies I tell you lies !!!

...I don't believe you!   

[LDoza]

Absolutely... Selorin/Vade.
 I told Matthew that just after he hooted when I mentioned Kurorin/Vade...that was a long, long time ago.

Things is they have to be 'sparked' with something so they can see each other.
At first Selorin was having the best time explaining Anorians to Vade...now not much interaction.

And yes, it definitely is one of the more fun reason to read each week.

Not that Kudorin/XioVoe aren't just a riot how they interact.

Love the line about Anikira wondering how 'that man' was going to raise their children!

[LilacMajesty]

I'm lying?  That's the pot calling the kettle black.  Anyway - I politely disagree that Selorin and Vade don't interact now.  It was just a couple of chapters ago that they were both drooling over each other during that orgy.

[JaeFire]

It was just a couple of chapters ago that they were both drooling over each other during that orgy.

Er, where was the drooling over each other part?  (Quotes, please.)  I recall only Selorin looking over at Bade and Orinakin's bed and getting very turned on.

- Jae

[LilacMajesty]

Sue is working on that actually.  She's planning a major post, so I'll leave it for her.  Although I do know that Vade referred to Selorin's body as being perfect.

[Susanne]

It was just a couple of chapters ago that they were both drooling over each other during that orgy.

Er, where was the drooling over each other part?  (Quotes, please.) only Selorin looking over at Bade and Orinakin's bed and getting very turned on. I recall

- Jae

...Selorin watching Vade at the orgy (Ch. 121) ~~. " Vade looked good, his wrists bound, his shirt and vest pushed back to reveal his strong, furry chest, his legs surprisingly muscular, his ass firm and round, his erection rising upward toward a lean, ridged stomach.  If-"           ~~  and Vade noticing Selorin ~~(Ch121) "While Desin was big and muscular, and Rini was trim and pretty, Selorin was perfect.  Slim and fit, in a very masculine, adult way.  With smooth-smooth skin and that gorgeous, thick, glossy blue hair he kept tossing around.  Every few seconds, there was a ripple of blue somewhere in the orgy as Selorin threw his head back.  He had a fantastic body," ~~

[Susanne]

Sue is working on that actually.  She's planning a major post, so I'll leave it for her.  Although I do know that Vade referred to Selorin's body as being perfect.

Well I wouldn't say it's major ....lol    I still have alot of stuff to look up.

[Susanne]

Absolutely... Selorin/Vade.
 I told Matthew that just after he hooted when I mentioned Kurorin/Vade...that was a long, long time ago.

Things is they have to be 'sparked' with something so they can see each other.
At first Selorin was having the best time explaining Anorians to Vade...now not much interaction.

And yes, it definitely is one of the more fun reason to read each week.

Good another S/V supporter 
 
When I read certain things in a lot of the chapters IM one of those read between lines and analyze everything kind of readers.
 
What I like is that I could send a paragraph to this group and ask everyone to read then tell me what you get out of it and at least half of the readers are going to see something different then the other half everyone's thought process is different and I think that's what makes it fun to discuss all the different opinions.
 
There are some things that people read when it comes to S/V that would find it a negative thing where I would read it and get a positive thing out of it....
 
IN my opinion and what IM getting as I read is I feel the two of them already have a connection it's one of those slow growing ones like when you meet someone and become friends and over time you become great friends, the kind were you are relaxed and comfortable around each other and can be yourself without being judge by them. You can talk to each other about anything, you can argue and debate and agree and disagree but in the end you respect one another's opinions and you learn more from one another and can still walk away great friends.
 
Then one day something happens and your looking at your friend in a different way and as time goes on it just get stronger and you need to decided do I say something and risk losing the friendship or just keep it quiet and be happy with want you have ...  Like they say (or so ive been told ) "Best friends make the best lovers" and the other one "You have to become friends before you can be lovers"..Don't know if that's true or not....lol
 
But that's how I see these two it is a slow growing relationship and every now and then they do notice one another and they are relaxed and comfortable around each other and if Selorin needs someone who will keep him on his toes and will keep things interesting for him so he doesn't get bored then he has it all in Vade..These two have been debating and bickering almost sense the first time they met and I notice they both get very passionate in there debates together but in the end they both respect each others opinion and are still friends. And they debate about more then just the judicial system they debate about a lot of different thing..Why does Selorin have to have someone who only wants to learn about the judicial system why not someone who is interested in learning about everything? And Vade's not afraid to debate with Selorin either. Vade is somewhat stubborn (as pointed out) kind of like Selorin. Vade is unpredictable and very open sexually willing to jump right in...lol   How in the world could these two ever get bored with one another?  OK I still have more stuff to look up so I can try and back up some of my points IM trying to make....lol   Just keep this in mind...Selorin watching Vade at the orgy (Ch. 121) ~~. " Vade looked good, his wrists bound, his shirt and vest pushed back to reveal his strong, furry chest, his legs surprisingly muscular, his ass firm and round, his erection rising upward toward a lean, ridged stomach.  If-" ~~  and Vade noticing Selorin ~~(Ch121) "While Desin was big and muscular, and Rini was trim and pretty, Selorin was perfect.  Slim and fit, in a very masculine, adult way.  With smooth-smooth skin and that gorgeous, thick, glossy blue hair he kept tossing around.  Every few seconds, there was a ripple of blue somewhere in the orgy as Selorin threw his head back.  He had a fantastic body," ~~
 
Vade has giving all the siblings great compliments but never has he said they were "perfect" and when I read this I see as times goes on and they spend more time with another there attraction is growing stronger even if they don't realize it yet. Who says that Selorin needs to BAM ! have an instant connection? Everyone develops into a relationship differently O/Bade , Talin/H and Rini/Trin and even K/XV they are and have all grown into there relationships differently then one another and I think the attraction that Selorin has to Bade is some sort of a connection to Vade..I haven't really figured that one out yet but how can he be attracted to Bade but not Vade there identical twins?...lol  OK off to do more reading and gather up my evidence...sorry I rambled I get to intense sometimes..Happy Valentines Day everyone !!!

[LDoza]

SUSANNE:  But that's how I see these two it is a slow growing relationship and every now and then they do notice one another and they are relaxed and comfortable around each other and if Selorin needs someone who will keep him on his toes and will keep things interesting for him so he doesn't get bored then he has it all in Vade.
Vade is somewhat stubborn (as pointed out) kind of like Selorin. Vade is unpredictable and very open sexually willing to jump right in...lol   How in the world could these two ever get bored with one another?

Yes, thanks, that's what I have been feeling...you put it into words so well.

[LilacMajesty]

Sue, the only thing I disagree with in your statement is saying that Selorin and Vade didn't have an instant connection.  I think that they did, they just fight to hide it.  Denying their attraction to each other might have something to do with the fact that their twins are in love with each other.

[Susanne]

Yes, thanks, that's what I have been feeling...you put it into words so well.

Thank you. I get nervous posting my opinions because I really think im not good with words.

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

toward a lean, ridged stomach.  If-"

If what?!

IF WHAT?!

-Matthew

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

every now and then they do notice one another and they are relaxed and comfortable around each other and if Selorin needs someone who will keep him on his toes and will keep things interesting for him so he doesn't get bored then he has it all in Vade..These two have been debating and bickering almost sense the first time they met and I notice they both get very passionate in there debates together but in the end they both respect each others opinion and are still friends. And they debate about more then just the judicial system they debate about a lot of different thing..Why does Selorin have to have someone who only wants to learn about the judicial system why not someone who is interested in learning about everything? And Vade's not afraid to debate with Selorin either. Vade is somewhat stubborn (as pointed out) kind of like Selorin. Vade is unpredictable and very open sexually willing to jump right in...lol   How in the world could these two ever get bored with one another?

Good argument!  Vade and Selorin have a much stronger dynamic than, say, Vade and Desin or Vade and Talin.

-Matthew

[Susanne]

Sue, the only thing I disagree with in your statement is saying that Selorin and Vade didn't have an instant connection.  I think that they did, they just fight to hide it.  Denying their attraction to each other might have something to do with the fact that their twins are in love with each other.

Mmmmmm...ok interesting because when i just read that this  popped in my head...


Ch 107 - Selorin's thoughts ( he was off in "Vade Land")............................  As Vade continued to chatter, Selorin removed his layered robes, dropping onto the sofa and running his fingers through his hair.  He had half an hour before he had to be back in the courtroom, and it was nice to have a companion.  And Vade, curious and stubborn, ceaselessly horny and naively innocent, was an interesting companion. The other half of the other half of Selorin’s other half.

Then of course this goes on to show that Vade is also very interested in learning more about the criminal justice system.....

            Wiggling his toes, Selorin grinned, leaning back comfortably.  “Rub my feet, and I’ll answer all of your questions about the history of Anorian criminal justice.”

            Vade frowned.  “I don’t have any questions about,” and then he hesitated.  His hand rose, fingers curling around the side of Selorin’s foot, thumb pushing between two toes and hitting a spot that made Selorin’s spine melt.  “What were the worst crimes in Anorian history?  Which crimes are most common?  How many people do you have in prison?  As royal high judge, could you send someone to jail without a trial?”


And he even made his spine melt...

[Susanne]

toward a lean, ridged stomach.  If-"

If what?!

IF WHAT?!

-Matthew

Yea that's what I would like to know !!!    Your killing me 

[Susanne]

I'm lying?  That's the pot calling the kettle black.  Anyway - I politely disagree that Selorin and Vade don't interact now.  It was just a couple of chapters ago that they were both drooling over each other during that orgy.

That's what you get for the Viggo being better then Sean comment...

LOL...You know I love ya 

[Falconer]

Personally, I don't really see Selorin/Vade happening. They get along well, they've got a great friendship going on and I think that's the ideal development when 2 people who are twins get married to each other. The phrase "the other half of his other half's other half" sums it up well I think. Selorin and Orinakin are so close, Bade and Vade are so close, that if their respective twins did not get along, didn't have a connection, their relationship wouldn't been as fulfilling. Just for Talin and Anosanim. Anosanim always has a close relationship with Talin's boyfriends. For Selorin and Vade, it's just another version, another embodiment of that same concept.

[Susanne]

Well it was pointed out to me by Matthew that I'm almost at red ranking and then I have Diamond encouraging me to post ....so I thought how would I like to ascend to red but to say.....


                                         GO TEAM SELORIN/VADE!!


I see you Liz stop laughing at me 

[LilacMajesty]

 

[SilverMoon28]

Good argument!  Vade and Selorin have a much stronger dynamic than, say, Vade and Desin or Vade and Talin.

-Matthew

The idea of Vade/Desin made me  .  I have no idea why, but it did.

Now...Selorin/Vade makes my mouth water.  Maybe it's a twin thing, twins in love with other twins?  Who knows.  Granted, I think Anosanim/Talin would be the exception, but let me enjoy my twin-moments! 

Vade and Selorin could be lonely together when their twins leave Orina Anoris, and that could lead to lots of juicy sex.

That sentence came out a lot worse than I meant it to...

Vani

[LilacMajesty]

I think the possible Selorin/Vade connection does have a lot to do with being twins.  Orinakin needs both Bade and Selorin to be whole.  Since Bade needs Vade, who better to complete the connection but Selorin?

[Susanne]

I think the possible Selorin/Vade connection does have a lot to do with being twins.  Orinakin needs both Bade and Selorin to be whole.  Since Bade needs Vade, who better to complete the connection but Selorin?

Very nicely put that's just another reason on my check list why I see them together.

[LilacMajesty]

Talin/Hitari may be my first love, but Selorin/Vade is important to me too.

[SilverMoon28]

*nod nod nod nod nod*

I think the possible Selorin/Vade connection does have a lot to do with being twins.  Orinakin needs both Bade and Selorin to be whole.  Since Bade needs Vade, who better to complete the connection but Selorin?

*nods more*

[Susanne]

OK if im keeping track right this should be my ascending post to my second favorite sibling's color Orange  I told myself everytime I ascend the ascending post as to be about my dream team  and Vade(for good luck ) so with that said I leave you this....

Chapter 35:   He certainly didn’t mind watching Bade and Vade groom themselves, leather pants clinging to the curves of their asses, Bade tying Vade’s laces. When Bade had crouched down to tighten the laces running up the side of Vade’s leg, while Vade had quickly finished shrugging into his shirt, shyly covering up roundly molded muscle and that sexy dusting of golden chest hair, the words on the page before Selorin had gone sadly neglected.


Chapter: 70  (Vades thoughts)...Almost everyone else's dick was hidden by blankets and sheets and people, but he caught a glimpse of Selorin’s, too.  It was even more gorgeous erect.  No wonder Bade was so eager to bed Orinakin all of the time.

Chapter: 76   “I have detailed plans to dress up in purple and roam the palace, ravishing princes,” Vade muttered.  “You’re only slightly less sexually popular than Jekari around here, and it’s my right as your twin to take advantage of that.”
            Bade could hardly blame him.  Reaching the basket, he stopped to breathe.
“Start with Selorin.  You’ll thank me later.”


Listen to your brother Vade !! 

GO TEAM SELORIN/VADE !!   

[Dena]

I don't ship Vade/Selorin exclusively or anything, but I will say - the argument for Vade ending up with a sibling is in the POV to me.   

We're given scenes from the POV of every sibling, and of Bade to start.  Since then, despite being a major character, we've never had a scene written from Hitari's POV.  We also have yet to see one from Ritek, and though he was a center of many scenes, I don't think we've had the POV from T'rin either.  Yet we get many from Xio Voe's POV, and we know he sticks around since he's for Kudorin - even if we don't know just HOW it works out yet. 

We do, however, get a whole lot of scenes from Vade's POV.  Maybe that's because he's Bade's twin and was in Bade's book to start - well, Orinakin's book, but you know what I mean. . . but maybe not? 

[LilacMajesty]

First of all,  for Sue turning orange.  Anosanim is so touched, I'm afraid he's went through all his lovely peach hankies.  And I have to ask, wouldn't Orinakin's book be Bade's book, too?

[SilverMoon28]

I would certainly think so, yes.  It all started with Bade, didn't it?

[LilacMajesty]

The real question is, will Vade be a large part of Selorin's book?  And I seriously think the answer is yes.  EIther that, or Matthew's just being a huge tease.  Which could very well be.

[Susanne]

Wouldn't that be cool...Start the story with  and Bade and end it with  and Vade. 

  and Vade...MHT a tease...Sue ----> 

[SilverMoon28]

Oh, Vade is going to endup with one of the Seven Siblings, of that I am sure.  I'm really *really* (really) hoping it will be with Vade.  Really.

Vani

[LilacMajesty]

Ummm Iaroo - you might want to edit that.

[Susanne]

Oh, Vade is going to endup with one of the Seven Siblings, of that I am sure.  I'm really *really* (really) hoping it will be with Vade.  Really.

Vani

Hmmmmmm   interesting...

[blondiechic0]

Oh, Vade is going to endup with one of the Seven Siblings, of that I am sure.  I'm really *really* (really) hoping it will be with Vade.  Really.

Vani

Vade 's marrying Vade?!?! Awesome!

[SilverMoon28]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry!!!

Vade will marry Selorin.

Yes he will.

:p

[LilacMajesty]

I like the fact that it took three of us poking fun at you to catch your mistake, Iaroo.

[Rebel]

See? I knew I wasnt imagining things  I'm a HUGE fan of Vade, and Selorin, and after reading the Royal Greetings short I am now team Selorin/Vade. There are so many reasons why, which you've all listed, lol; one of the most compelling arguements or turning points for me was when Selorin got so upset with Vade for pretending to be Bade.  Even Remin thought he was taking it too far, and it kind of just proved, in my mind, how much Selorin values Vade.

[Susanne]

See? I knew I wasnt imagining things  I'm a HUGE fan of Vade, and Selorin, and after reading the Royal Greetings short I am now team Selorin/Vade. There are so many reasons why, which you've all listed, lol; one of the most compelling arguements or turning points for me was when Selorin got so upset with Vade for pretending to be Bade.  Even Remin thought he was taking it too far, and it kind of just proved, in my mind, how much Selorin values Vade.

I like you already !!      

[CorsonBrenn]

Hi guys,

I have to admit, that I have been expecting Selorin and Vade to get together as well. I've been waiting for the explosion to happen between them, I just figured it was a matter of time before it happens. Selorin needs someone to challenge him I think, just as Orinikin did with Bade. Challenge in a way, that they always question everything, but can still offer advise of their own when needed. Vade definately fits that description. Vade however needs someone more grounded to keep him from getting into too much trouble and Selorin can offer that, as well as knowing how to have fun with him.

I just find it hard to imagine anyone else better suited to Selorin at the moment. I think both are kind of in denial about their feelings for each other, due to Vade's circumstances in regards to Nosupolis.

That's just my two cents worth anyway.

Corson

[Susanne]

Hi guys,

I have to admit, that I have been expecting Selorin and Vade to get together as well. I've been waiting for the explosion to happen between them, I just figured it was a matter of time before it happens. Selorin needs someone to challenge him I think, just as Orinikin did with Bade. Challenge in a way, that they always question everything, but can still offer advise of their own when needed. Vade definately fits that description. Vade however needs someone more grounded to keep him from getting into too much trouble and Selorin can offer that, as well as knowing how to have fun with him.

I just find it hard to imagine anyone else better suited to Selorin at the moment. I think both are kind of in denial about their feelings for each other, due to Vade's circumstances in regards to Nosupolis.

That's just my two cents worth anyway.

Corson

I enjoyed your two cents worth and look forward to more 

[Mountie]

I just want to congratulate you Suzanne on grabbing the covetted Reply #69 spot

Please add your $0.02 worth any time Corson

[Susanne]

I just want to congratulate you Suzanne on grabbing the covetted Reply #69 spot

Please add your $0.02 worth any time Corson

69....       gee way did i instantly think of  and Vade when i read that? 

[Mountie]

Because you were channelling me and that was exactly what was running through my mind too.

[Rebel]

Hi guys,

I have to admit, that I have been expecting Selorin and Vade to get together as well. I've been waiting for the explosion to happen between them, I just figured it was a matter of time before it happens. Selorin needs someone to challenge him I think, just as Orinikin did with Bade. Challenge in a way, that they always question everything, but can still offer advise of their own when needed. Vade definately fits that description. Vade however needs someone more grounded to keep him from getting into too much trouble and Selorin can offer that, as well as knowing how to have fun with him.

I just find it hard to imagine anyone else better suited to Selorin at the moment. I think both are kind of in denial about their feelings for each other, due to Vade's circumstances in regards to Nosupolis.

That's just my two cents worth anyway.

Corson

YES! You said it perfectly, what I was thinking    Something is going to happen and they are going to just explode and attack each other. I just know it 

[Mountie]

Yep it will be explosive.  I know it.