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« on: February 06, 2009, 05:58:11 AM » |
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Seeing as we've been talking about Hitari and T'rin, I thought that I should start a thread about Xio Voe.
I suppose the subject's been exhausted in the e-mail discussions, but I honestly haven't had the time to read absolutely everything on those  . So...
Xio Voe... what do you think of him so far?
He's evolved, that's for sure. I'm frankly impressed that he never tried to push Rini away whenever he's hugged him. The first time I read that, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing (nice going, Matthew! I love it when you surprise the heck out of me with scenes like that).
I just wish that Xio Voe would open up to his feelings a little more. Not necessarily to anyone else if he's not ready for that (although Kudorin and Orinakin would immediately sense the change), but for himself. The way he's 'courting' Kudorin is the way I would solve a math problem... he's not doing it naturally.
Then again, I don't suppose he knows how to do it naturally.
Thoughts? Comments?
Vani
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 08:36:16 AM » |
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Xio Voe... what do you think of him so far?
He's evolved, that's for sure.
I just wish that Xio Voe would open up to his feelings a little more. Not necessarily to anyone else if he's not ready for that (although Kudorin and Orinakin would immediately sense the change), but for himself. The way he's 'courting' Kudorin is the way I would solve a math problem... he's not doing it naturally.
Then again, I don't suppose he knows how to do it naturally.
Thoughts? Comments?
Vani
I absolutely adore him. I love how he's taking change at his own pace, and I get this sense that however long that takes is as long as it takes. The way he's approaching courting Kudorin, the way I see it, is the only way he really knows how (which is great because he would't do half the things he's allowed himself to do without some impetus--like having read about it). I understand what you mean about him approaching it by way of a math problem, in that he constantly refers/makes romantic decisions based on the books he's read about how to go about it, how to think about your partner, how you should react, etc., which I think is wonderful. Why? Because of the fiasco he made when he proposed--he had no idea why it was wrong, or hurtful, because he had no reference point. I'd rather he go about it the way he's been so far--logically, referring to the texts of Ilanosa because he certainly can't refer to anything he's grown up with (i.e., his parents, who've never acted affectionately in front of him together). He can't help his very cold upbringing. I feel like, while he's doing that (referring and making decisions based on the texts), as a consequence of going outside of his comfort zone, he's feeling things with Kudorin gradually and it's causing him to open up. In psychology, there's a lot of talk about the idea that "where your body goes, your brain will follow." So, for example, if you want to be a responsible person, you need to act responsibly, you make sure you're on time, that you honor your promises and obligations. Thinking about it isn't enough. Wanting to be responsible but not doing anything about it isn't enough. In the same way that smokers quit not by saying, "I'm going to quit," but by actually doing it first, by getting their body to stop its dependence on tobacco so that their mind follows and also stops craving tobacco, stops being dependent on tobacco. That's how I view some of Xio Voe's actions, in a sense--he's letting the texts guide him concerning how he should behave with Kudorin, which impacts him emotionally afterward (which is one of the only ways that work to affect change in him, it seems). Example: "...he would no sooner describe his emotions than he would describe his testicles in detail. Particularly his emotions in complex detail, complete with personal motivations and his own journey of self-discovery. The very idea of it galled him.
Putting aside his own reactions, he did as the romantic texts advised, and considered the situation from Anosukinom’s perspective." (Ch.119) About what you said (about wishing he'd open up to his feelings a little more): I think we'll get there, in time.  Ugh, I just love him. He makes me squee. - Jae |
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 01:10:47 PM » |
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It's true that Xio Voe can't get better references than the texts of Ilanosa, lol. Who better than to guide you through what you have to do in love than the god of love?
But I'd like to see what he would do if he let his emotions take over...
Though I don't think that he'd ever do that... even when he marries Kudorin, I have a feeling that he'll keep some emotions to himself.
We shall see...
Vani
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 12:11:49 PM » |
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This might be a good time to slip in the information that I prefer that I prefer for Xio Voe to be called "Xio Voe" and not "Voe." Using any of his titles is fine, too.
To add something of substance to the conversation, um...
I think that it's good that Xio Voe is using familiar resources and tools (all of that fancy book-learnin') to guide him through an unfamiliar situation. It's helping him to bridge the gap to a strange and sometimes unpleasant world.
If he weren't going through the familiar steps of seeking knowledge, learning, and applying what he's learned, he would have nothing to go by but the advice of the cialexes around him. And I see that ending in disaster.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 01:19:41 PM » |
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If he weren't going through the familiar steps of seeking knowledge, learning, and applying what he's learned, he would have nothing to go by but the advice of the cialexes around him. And I see that ending in disaster.
-Matthew
Point well-taken. He wouldn't know how to behave around Kudorin because he's never been shown how to do it, and if he took, say, Rini's advice, he'd be hugging everyone (though I personally think that's a fantastic idea).
A little of both though, is good. He needs to find the balance. I guess that when he does, he'll be ready to marry Kudorin.
Vani
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2009, 01:26:01 PM » |
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if he took, say, Rini's advice, he'd be hugging everyone Part of the problem is that he wouldn't take Rini's advice. If he weren't educating himself, if he only had the Seven Siblings and Co. to advise him, he wouldn't listen. So he'd be storming forward in his own way, and they'd be trying to explain why that's never going to work, and everything would start falling apart, and he'd see that it was falling apart and try to correct course, but he'd only go so far. Then the question is, would that be far enough? But now we're in AU territory. -Matthew |
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2009, 01:33:19 PM » |
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What would his own way be? Just... demand to have people obey him without considering their feelings? Not that he'd ever be able to make a god obey him...
Why is it raining?!
Vani
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2009, 01:44:29 PM » |
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What would his own way be? Just... demand to have people obey him without considering their feelings? I think that's a good question. What would Xio Voe's way be? If he hadn't stopped to educate himself, what would he be doing now to get what he wants? We've seen that he's willing to open his mind and hear other viewpoints, particularly with a trusted source. (Kudorin, Bade.) Maybe they could, slowly, reach him? Would that be enough? -Matthew |
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2009, 01:58:41 PM » |
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What would he be doing now? I'm not sure. I'm guessing that he would use whatever means necessary to try to get Kudorin to be with him in Jacacea. Right now, he's slowly contemplating the start of a possibility of ruling alongside Kudorin in Orina Anoris. He's trying to see what Kudorin would like, what would make him happy. But I can't figure out that it's because he's starting to have feelings for him (regardless of the power he has) or if it's because of what he's learned through books.
I think that they are starting to reach him a little. Even Rini, with his hugs. Xio Voe might be starting to learn that showing some sort of physical affection (non-sexually, that is) isn't forbidden. Bade had to learn to be a little more open too, remember? I think Xio Voe will learn a lot from him on this point.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2009, 01:41:21 AM » |
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Why is it raining?!
Vani
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The idea of Xio Voe going without the guidance of Ilanosa's books and constantly going, "Why is it raining?!" makes me laugh. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2009, 03:09:36 AM » |
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You just had me burst out laughing while at work! Nobody's going to believe I have another headache now!!! lmao.
Vani *still giggling*
Hahaha, sorry! P.S. I think the gods are angry today... massive winds!!!
Hahahaha, now you've got me imagining a system developing in an alternate universe where Xio Voe only uses the weather to figure out what mood Kudorin's in!  Kudorin: *angry, and creating high winds* Xio Voe (listening to the high winds): ...Could he be...angry? *thinks hard* Kudorin: *headdesk* - Jae |
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 06:31:52 AM » |
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Hahahaha, now you've got me imagining a system developing in an alternate universe where Xio Voe only uses the weather to figure out what mood Kudorin's in! Kudorin: *angry, and creating high winds* Xio Voe (listening to the high winds): ...Could he be...angry? *thinks hard* Kudorin: *headdesk* - Jae What about using the way Kudorin changes things around him? Xio Voe: The chair turned gray.  Next the whole room was gray. Now we have been transported to a barren waist land.  ... "Anosukinom, are you sad?" Kudorin: *Engulfs Xio Voe in a fireball until he wises up*  - Diamond |
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2009, 07:28:20 AM » |
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What about using the way Kudorin changes things around him? Xio Voe: The chair turned gray. Next the whole room is gray. Now we have been transported to a barren waist land. ... "Anosukinom, are you sad?" Kudorin: *Engulfs Xio Voe in a fireball until he wises up* - Diamond Lol, he can be kinda dense sometimes for a genius! The question for me is, Is he "learning" to love? Or is he learning how to "express" a love he's already feeling? Can he ever feel for Kudorin what Kudorin feels for him? Or should Kudorin just accept that Xio Voh will 'love him differently'? Because, I don't think he'll be completely 'in touch' with his emotions by the end of the Rainbow book... |
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2009, 09:44:19 AM » |
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lol...
I don't think one can really *learn* how to love, so I think he's more learning to express it. I'm sure he can love, he's just not used to letting that part of himself show. So much so that it's completely unfamiliar to him.
And *why* did those amoebas turn off my heat in the middle of February?!?!?!?!?!? They did that to me in December already!!!!
Vani
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2009, 10:24:31 PM » |
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I was looking over some chapters for the Wiki, when I re-read this line and was reminded of why I love Xio Voe so much:
Ch.116: “On occasion, I wear something that falls in line with the requisite appearance but does not demand as much effort, but, as I swore before Emperor Xio Sei, I will wear the proper and expected attire the majority of the time.”
So basically, Xio Voe had to be made to swear to wearing the "proper and expected attire the majority of the time," because he considers being sewn into his clothes "a waste of his time."
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I LOVE THAT MAN!
- Jae
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2009, 11:28:27 PM » |
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Xio Voe had to be made to swear to wearing the "proper and expected attire the majority of the time," because he considers being sewn into his clothes "a waste of his time." He requires efficiency! Standing around waiting for people to sew him in is a frivolous, unnecessary waste of time, when he could just get dressed and move on. I like that he's stubborn enough that the Emperor had to make him swear to it. Because otherwise, it just wouldn't happen. -Matthew |
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2009, 12:09:23 AM » |
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Xio Voe had to be made to swear to wearing the "proper and expected attire the majority of the time," because he considers being sewn into his clothes "a waste of his time." He requires efficiency! Standing around waiting for people to sew him in is a frivolous, unnecessary waste of time, when he could just get dressed and move on. I like that he's stubborn enough that the Emperor had to make him swear to it. Because otherwise, it just wouldn't happen. -Matthew I know! He's so wonderful. It all just makes me squeeeee! - Jae |
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2009, 05:01:42 PM » |
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ITL: 54 Remin speaking to Desin: “Trust me, I’d love to tell Orinakin what to do. It would be great if I could orchestrate events that way, and find Kudorin a husband who’s intelligent and well-educated and well-mannered and handsome and politically savvy and, coincidentally, as calm and dignified as anyone’s ever been, but I know better.”
How right on the money was Remin with this description??!!? Totally love it! A fairly good description of Xio Voe long before he was even in the picture. Of course, it is not a complete description. It is missing...controlled, tenacious, emotionally frigid and funny.
Although, some might question that he is well-mannered as requested. Some times he is abrupt and dismissive.
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2009, 05:32:04 PM » |
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Anyone who thinks that Kudorin isn't serious enough or consistently regal enough should definitely think that Xio Voe has enough gravitas to make up for it.
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2009, 07:48:08 AM » |
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Here's a question:
It was said when Bade was still courting Kudorin that if he married the pharaoh, he would gain the title of King of Orina Anoris, but when his reign was over, he would go back to just being a prince. When Xio Voe marries Kudorin, obviously he'll become king, but when it's over, what will his title be? He obviously won't be The Heir anymore. Will he just be a prince? Or will he get another title?
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2009, 09:53:45 AM » |
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There's no precedent for it, but my guess would be Prince Xio Voe. Because he's a member of the imperial family, but neither Heir nor Emperor.
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