Anosukinom

[SilverMoon28]

As I was reading part 125, I got a question about Anosukinom, and thought I should post it here.

Mainly, my question was about touching Anosukinom... Or rather, sitting on his lap...
If someone who wasn't one of the Siblings or Anikira or the belas... would that person just... float on top of him or just fall to the ground at his feet?

Silly question, but I just thought I should ask...

And I suppose we'll get the whole ritual for touching Anosukinom as soon as they will be married.

Oh, and will the ritual take place before or after the wedding?

Vani

[LilacMajesty]

I don't think anyone else could get close enough to sit in his lap.  Remember, it just causes pain at a certain point.  Xio Voe has been the only exception to that rule, and even he can't actually touch the Pharaoah.  And I would think the ceremony would have to come before wedding because I can't see Anosukinom waiting very long to make Xio Voe his.

[Quinntanna]

I have to agree that it would happen before the wedding because you have to kiss your spouse in front of the crowd and that can't be done if you can't even touch the one you love.
   That scene is going to be soo Kewl!!

[LilacMajesty]

Personally, I can't wait to see what Jacacaean wedding traditions are woven into the ceremony.

[mc_cart_ny]

I cannot wait to see the ceremony for touching the Pharoe!  I've been curious about it since around the time Bade and Orinakin got together. lol

Will Bade ever go through the ceremony??  I hope so, I want Kudorin to touch him...That may just be wishful thinking, since it hasn't happened yet, it seems it never will.

~McCartny~

[LilacMajesty]

I don't think Bade will go through that ceremony.  I believe its just for those that will be intimate with Anosukinom.

[mc_cart_ny]

Yeah, I think it's just my vain hope that one day they can be all cuddly just like Bade is with everyone else.

~McCartny~

[LilacMajesty]

I'm not sure that dear, sweet Bade could handle actually being touched by the Pharaoah.  He'd freaking explode.

[mc_cart_ny]

lol Yeah you're probably right!

~McCartny~

[Susanne]

I don't think Bade will go through that ceremony.  I believe its just for those that will be intimate with Anosukinom.

You don't think that maybe someday Bade will get that privilege?

[mc_cart_ny]

I hope he does get that privilage one day!  I hope so very much!

But it seems like wouldn't that have happened so far?  Or maybe Kudorin's just been waiting until he was married to his king.

Maybe there's still hope yet!

Kudorin did mention once that he wanted to be find a way to touch him one day - but I think after that he used Remin twice to touch him...so....I dunno....

~McCartny~

[SilverMoon28]

I'm sure Anosukinom can find ways to touch Bade, so that's not really something anyone has to worry about.  Don't forget, he can be at one with pillows and blankets and caress Bade's body...

Which makes me wonder why he hasn't done that with Xio Voe yet.  Maybe because he's unable to sense him when they're not together?

Vani

[LilacMajesty]

I believe that Anosukinom wants to hold himself back until the proper time.

[SilverMoon28]

Meaning that they're going to set their wedding bed on fire... got it, got it.

Are they married yet?!

[LilacMajesty]

Its going to be a while before they're married.  Xio Voe's got a long way to go.

[anaskee]

I don't think Bade will go through that ceremony.  I believe its just for those that will be intimate with Anosukinom.

I thought it's a given that Bade will go through the ceremony to touch  .   calls him Inanodat, something that's never been done before.  So isn't being able to touch Anosukinom one of the perks of being a brother?

I also think that Xio Voe will be able to touch Anosukinom before they get married.  Just think, if the intimacies between Xio Voe and  are melting hot right now and they haven't even touch, imagine what it would be like later.  

[SilverMoon28]

I also think that Xio Voe will be able to touch Anosukinom before they get married.  Just think, if the intimacies between Xio Voe and  are melting hot right and they haven't even touch, imagine what it would be like later.   

They're going to set the wedding bed on fire!  lol

I can't wait to see Xio Voe lose control when Kudorin finally is able to touch him.

Vani

[anaskee]

They're going to set the wedding bed on fire!  lol

Literally!  

Question:  Once the ceremony is done and  and Xio Voe can finally touch, will Xio Voe lose that pleasurable hum of power he feels whenever  is near him? 

[SilverMoon28]

Literally!  

Question:  Once the ceremony is done and  and Xio Voe can finally touch, will Xio Voe lose that pleasurable hum of power he feels whenever  is near him? 

I don't think he'll ever stop feeling that power.  I think that it'll be something that'll always physically attract Xio Voe to Kudorin, kind of like a magnet, the way it is now that they can't touch.

Vani

[anaskee]

I thought the intense vibration of power is there as a warning that they can't touch Anosukinom?  But with Xio Voe, it's pleasurable instead of painful.  But after the ceremony, shouldn't the vibrations go away since it's not needed anymore?   

[LilacMajesty]

I think that once he can touch  then he's gonna be getting a whole new set of vibrations.

[anaskee]

I hope so.  I  that Xio Voe gets that reaction from being near . 

[mc_cart_ny]

To go back to Bade touching Kudorin, I was going through the earlier chapters looking for something unrelated to this and found this:

“That is because you may not touch me,” the pharaoh said.  “Those of my blood - - my pharaoh mother and king father, my brothers - - may.  My queen mother, my personal guards, my personal servants, and those in my harems, have gone through the sacred rituals, and may.  Others may not.” ITL 5.4

Because of that quote I think that probably he won't, but since Kudorin considers him a brother...maybe?  lol It just leaves it in the same place, I guess.

I wonder if there is any precedence of Anosukinom blessing a spouse of his/her siblings?

~McCartny~

[JaeFire]

I thought the intense vibration of power is there as a warning that they can't touch Anosukinom?  But with Xio Voe, it's pleasurable instead of painful.  But after the ceremony, shouldn't the vibrations go away since it's not needed anymore?   

They're not the same thing.  Xio Voe is aroused by Kudorin's power/divinity.  Not the pain.  The pain is a barrier, a separate thing from the "vibration of power," which is a part of his aura.

Also: because Xio Voe feels pleasure at being close to Kudorin's power/divinity, the vibrations and pleasurable feelings can't go away--it's intrinsically a part of Kudorin's being.  As Selorin says below, “Then you didn’t add anything arousing,” Selorin said.  “You simply removed the unpleasant effect.”

Ch.97:
            “Xio Voe,” Kudorin said, “is the only exception.  There are stronger barriers to our union than there ever have been to the marriage of any Anosukinom to either husband or wife.  The removal of this traditional barrier is necessary, to give Xio Voe incentive to marry me.  It is natural for him to be drawn to my power.  The feeling of pain at my nearness is unnatural but a necessary deterrent.  It has been withdrawn in Xio Voe’s case.”

            “Then you didn’t add anything arousing,” Selorin said. “You simply removed the unpleasant effect.”

            “The gods did, yes.”

            “Would they all be aroused, naturally, if that painful vibration weren’t there?” Bade wondered.  Was a god’s aura naturally arousing?  That seemed odd.

            “Different people feel different things from Anosukinom,” Orinakin said.  “Most people feel some form of love, or peace, or both.  There’s an inner warmth that isn’t about temperature, that’s more about a settled feeling in the soul.  Some people find Kudorin’s touch soothing, some find it rejuvenating, some come away with hope.  Some servants have described feeling inwardly clean and fresh.  Some servants have described feeling overjoyed.  One servant, three generations ago, sobbed with joy every time she served the pharaoh, until she became acclimated to it.”

            “Among spouses, and even among belas, there’s almost unanimous agreement that the pharaoh’s touch itself is loving and warm and peaceful, and that it becomes sexual when sexual intent is meant,” Remin continued.  “It is not innately sexual or intrinsically arousing.”

            “But most people also report that the pharaoh’s power is felt only at certain times,” Selorin said.  “The pharaoh’s basic touch is peaceful and loving.  People who mention feeling the pharaoh’s power in his touch, being aware of it as a physical thing, report that as a specific instance.  It doesn’t happen in a vacuum.  Kudorin said that Xio Voe feels his power ‘whenever I’m near,’ which indicates to me that Xio Voe doesn’t feel what anyone else feels, love and peace.  He feels Kudorin’s divinity and interprets it in a different way.”

            “So Kudorin’s exuding something different around Xio Voe?” Desin asked.

            “Xio Voe wouldn’t be affected by love and peace in the same way,” Orinakin said.  “It wouldn’t reach him as poignantly.”

            “I do express different things depending on the circumstances,” Kudorin admitted.  “But I don’t change for Xio Voe.  He feels my power so strongly that he doesn’t interpret what’s within it. He doesn’t recognize what you feel as love or peace.  He doesn’t even notice a difference when I’m aroused.  He simply feels my raw divinity.

- Jae

[Falconer]

Ch.97:
- Jae

I don't remember reading that...  I seriously need to start my reread project. Jae, you truly are a quote-wizard, and a gift to this board!

[LilacMajesty]

I can remember the general quotes, I just can't remember where they are.

[anaskee]

Ch.97:
- Jae

I don't remember reading that...  I seriously need to start my reread project. Jae, you truly are a quote-wizard, and a gift to this board!

What Falconer said.
Thanks for clearing that up, Jae! 

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

Over in the Older Siblings/Younger Siblings KROSDATE thread, people talked back and forth about how much international influence the individual Siblings have.

In ITL 21.1, there's this:

“If you became king here,” Bade said, “would that have a stabilizing effect? Or are your enemies too far from here to care?”
“I would send for my father’s allies, and his enemies, and they would come,” T’rin said. “I would demand peace,” his eyes glittered, “and I would have it.”
“That would work?” Bade asked, amazed. “They’d listen to you?”
“No higher authority than Anosukinom walks the planet,” T’rin said. “They shall obey him. And his king.”

I take that to mean that no one's more influential than Kudorin.  Do we take T'rin's word for it?

-Matthew

[LilacMajesty]

Yes, we do because  is a God.  Jacacea may be an empire, but the Emperor is not a God.  :::smirks superiorly:::

[Falconer]

I'm lost...   

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

I'm lost...   

Lost about what?  Let us help you find the way!

-Matthew

[JaeFire]

I don't remember reading that...  I seriously need to start my reread project. Jae, you truly are a quote-wizard, and a gift to this board!

^_________^  Thank you!

What Falconer said.
Thanks for clearing that up, Jae! 

You're

- Jae

[Falconer]

I'm lost...   

Lost about what?  Let us help you find the way!

-Matthew

Hmmm, I wasn't sure whether you were introducing a new conversation or responding to an old post...

Anyway, I do think that no one's more influential than Kudorin (and that Kudorin's influence is largely contingent on Orina Anoris' position and power and not on his divinity). But I think that the Emperor is fast catching up with him, and I would even wager that Jacacea's conquests are making it more intimidating (and consequently more influential) than Orina Anoris however ancient and wealthy it is. Jacacea is more tangible, more real, more dangerous to people than Orina Anoris. Orina Anoris doesn't even have an army. Anorians have diplomatic, political and commercial weight, but arms speak louder than those I believe.

Which is why a partnership between the 2 nations is needed. Before you had a hierarchy (Orina Anoris was superior to Jacacea), but the gap between the two is rapidly shrinking and having tension between these two equally powerful nations could potentially lead to war.

[LilacMajesty]

As I don't believe that Orina Anoris would ever go to War, that would be impossible.  But I do think that a truce between the two will bring world peace.

[Falconer]

As I don't believe that Orina Anoris would ever go to War, that would be impossible.  But I do think that a truce between the two will bring world peace.

If Orina Anoris would not go to war, there would be no need for world peace in the first place, no? But of course, since Orina Anoris doesn't even have an army, a military conflict is out of the question. But a cold war cannot be ruled out.

[LilacMajesty]

THey've had a cold war going on for what seems to be centuries.  I believe that's part of the Gods plans with Anosukinom and Xio Voe - to end that detante for the sake of the world.

[Falconer]

THey've had a cold war going on for what seems to be centuries.  I believe that's part of the Gods plans with Anosukinom and Xio Voe - to end that detante for the sake of the world.

I suppose it depends on how you define "cold war". From what I understand, economic competition doesn't equate cold war, and that's what Orina Anoris and Jacacea have had for centuries. Otherwise, they've mostly left each other alone. From Chapter 77: "After ages of carefully crafted distance, each land acting as if the other didn’t exist [...]." Also, in the same chapter, Orinakin was thinking: "What if he could initiate communication?" So there hasn't been communication between the 2 nations, and they've acted as if the other didn't exist. How can there have been cold war then if they didn't even acknowledge each other?

For there to be a cold war, there needs to be a political dimension to the rivalry, and they didn't have that before the episode with Pirsotu where the political interests of the 2 directly clashed. There also needs to be diplomatic relations, which of course they didn't have before (see above).

So I think the marriage between Xio Voe and Kudorin would help prevent the war, not end it.

[SilverMoon28]

Marriage between Xio Voe and Anosukinom might make things go in several directions, and if the author were anyone but Matthew, I'd warn you to be prepared for disaster.

However, the gods would never allow a marriage that would cause Orina Anoris to be at open war with anyone, so this just means that everything's going to be all right.  Anosukinom would never be so blinded by love that he'd neglect doing what's good for his nation.

Sure, Anorians will have some trouble with the concept at first.  But the marriage will never be announced until the gods are certain that Anorians will at least accept Xio Voe into their society, and that's not going to happen unless he makes an effort to accept Orina Anoris as his home.

Which is why I think we still have a long way to go.  Maybe another 30 or 40 chapters.

Vani

[JaeFire]

I don't feel the need to really join in this discussion, because you guys are doing such an awesome job and I'm loving just watching, but I thought I'd give these quotes to you all as "food for thought" and fuel for your discussion:

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[ITL 1.4]:
Orina Anoris had lasted through wars, plagues, droughts, earthquakes, and famines. Disaster after disaster had rocked the ancient worlds, had arisen even more recently, and Orina Anoris had never fallen.

[ITL 1.4]:
“Orina Anoris is,” Orinakin said, “by far, the oldest nation there ever was. We have survived when others have not.”

[ITL 117.8]:  Xio Voe's thoughts during his tour the Royal Museum of the Dynasty of the Twins with Kudorin (NOTE: during a dynasty without an Anosukinom and just a king):
Anorians had kept careful record of their own history. Unlike other nations, they’d suffered no natural disasters, no wars, no significant loss or disruption of population, so they’d been able to chronicle their own journey very closely over the years.

[ITL 67.15]: A conversation between Bade & Orinakin about Orina Anoris lacking a military:
"We don’t need one or want one or have any use for one, here,” Orinakin replied. “Our citizens will engage in no war abroad. We fight for peace, but not with violence.”

“What if someone attacks you?”

“Attack this land under Anosukinom’s reign? The gods would never allow it."

[ITL 83.1]:
“The only Jacacean viewpoint I know, is anti-Anorian,” Desin said.  “You deal with scholars and academics and judges.  I deal with merchants and politicians, and I have to fight for every trade agreement I can get.  The Empire couldn’t war with our military, so they’ve been at war with our money, our exports, our imports.  Every day I get a new update on what they’ve managed to take from us and what we’ve managed to take from them.  They hate us, and they’re out to get us, and I would love to get them back.”

Narrowing his eyes, Selorin reminded Desin, “We are not at war.  I hope that you know well enough not to speak this way in front of anyone not in this room.”

“I don’t have to tell anyone that we’re in a constant struggle with the Empire,” Desin said.  “Everyone who works for me can see that for themselves.”

“It is pretty bad,” Talin admitted.  “Whenever I heard people mutter about the Empire, I thought that it was all just an old grudge, blown out of proportion, but then I started to pay more attention to how devoted Libi was to holding onto our old trade agreements, and…”  He shrugged uneasily.  “It’s not good.  They really are working against us.  They’re not in any danger of bankrupting us, but they’re always jostling for position, trying to coax our allies away from us, trying to offer bigger and better deals.”

[ITL 83.1]:
Desin glared, his shoulders tense.  “We all know who struck first.  It wasn’t our military camped outside their border for three years.”

[ITL 88.8]:
“If the pharaoh spared her own country the invasion of Emperor Fet Kailoe’s forces, why did she not also spare her neighbors a military occupation?”

Whoa.  Bade fought to school his expression, struggling to remain cool as his jaw tried to drop right open.  That?!  Xio Voe wanted to talk about that?!  About the Emperor declaring war, about the Jacacean army sitting at Orina Anoris’s borders, about the beginnings of the ancient grudge?  And he wanted to twist it so that Anosukinom, and not the Emperor, was at fault?!  In the pharaoh’s palace?  At the table with the Seven Siblings?  Great Grengar.  And Bade had thought that he’d been tactless during his own first dinner here.

“Anosukinom is god over Orina Anoris, not the world.”  Remin spoke in a calm tone, as if not in the least bothered by Xio Voe’s lack of tact.  “The pharaoh spared her own people, but other lands have other gods.”

[ITL 88.8]:
“You will excuse me, Heir Voe, Your Highness,” Wamesh said, “but fault needn’t belong to one party.  The Emperor was incorrect to send his army to occupy several countries with whom he had no quarrel, simply to threaten Orina Anoris.  The pharaoh was wrong to allow the situation to last as long as it did.  The other nations were wrong to allow themselves to be bullied.”

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- Jae

[LilacMajesty]

I think that XIo Voe needs to dissect Jae's brain, figure out how it works so well, and then fix the rest of ours.

[Falconer]

I don't feel the need to really join in this discussion, because you guys are doing such an awesome job and I'm loving just watching, but I thought I'd give these quotes to you all as "food for thought" and fuel for your discussion

You should totally jump in.
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Now about your quotes (thanks for those!):

 

[ITL 67.15]: A conversation between Bade & Orinakin about Orina Anoris lacking a military:
"We don’t need one or want one or have any use for one, here,” Orinakin replied. “Our citizens will engage in no war abroad. We fight for peace, but not with violence.”

“What if someone attacks you?”

“Attack this land under Anosukinom’s reign? The gods would never allow it."

So there can be no military conflict. But a cold war is very possible.

[ITL 83.1]:
“The only Jacacean viewpoint I know, is anti-Anorian,” Desin said.  “You deal with scholars and academics and judges.  I deal with merchants and politicians, and I have to fight for every trade agreement I can get.  The Empire couldn’t war with our military, so they’ve been at war with our money, our exports, our imports.  Every day I get a new update on what they’ve managed to take from us and what we’ve managed to take from them.  They hate us, and they’re out to get us, and I would love to get them back.”
Narrowing his eyes, Selorin reminded Desin, “We are not at war.  I hope that you know well enough not to speak this way in front of anyone not in this room.”

“I don’t have to tell anyone that we’re in a constant struggle with the Empire,” Desin said.  “Everyone who works for me can see that for themselves.”

“It is pretty bad,” Talin admitted.  “Whenever I heard people mutter about the Empire, I thought that it was all just an old grudge, blown out of proportion, but then I started to pay more attention to how devoted Libi was to holding onto our old trade agreements, and…”  He shrugged uneasily.  “It’s not good.  They really are working against us.  They’re not in any danger of bankrupting us, but they’re always jostling for position, trying to coax our allies away from us, trying to offer bigger and better deals.”

*Economic* rivalry, competition, conflict, whatever you want to call it. But there’s no (cold) war, if only because Orina Anoris is not retaliating: Desin would love to get back at them, but so far, Orina Anoris hasn't gone out of its way to undermine Jacacea (like Jacacea has been doing). But of course, there are the other reasons I cited in my previous post.

 

[ITL 83.1]:
Desin glared, his shoulders tense.  “We all know who struck first.  It wasn’t our military camped outside their border for three years.”

You need 2 parties to go to or to be at war. Orina Anoris did not retaliate, so there has been no war.

[ITL 88.8]:
“If the pharaoh spared her own country the invasion of Emperor Fet Kailoe’s forces, why did she not also spare her neighbors a military occupation?”

Whoa.  Bade fought to school his expression, struggling to remain cool as his jaw tried to drop right open.  That?!  Xio Voe wanted to talk about that?!  About the Emperor declaring war, about the Jacacean army sitting at Orina Anoris’s borders, about the beginnings of the ancient grudge?  And he wanted to twist it so that Anosukinom, and not the Emperor, was at fault?!  In the pharaoh’s palace?  At the table with the Seven Siblings?  Great Grengar.  And Bade had thought that he’d been tactless during his own first dinner here.

“Anosukinom is god over Orina Anoris, not the world.”  Remin spoke in a calm tone, as if not in the least bothered by Xio Voe’s lack of tact.  “The pharaoh spared her own people, but other lands have other gods.”

This is telling us that Orina Anoris evaded the war that Jacacea clearly wanted/was looking for. So (sorry I'm repeating the same thing over and over...) there hasn’t been a war. Also, note that the gods have spared them an "invasion" (in other words, military conflict), nothing has been said about a conflict that's just as intense, but that doesn't involve actual fighting (a cold war).

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So to sum up, there hasn't been a war and there isn't a war right now, but there could be a (cold) war in the near future. The gods would not permit an invasion, Anorians would not go fight abroad, but a cold war entails none of that. A cold war is:
* intense economic, political, military, and ideological rivalry between nations, short of military conflict; sustained hostile political policies and an atmosphere of strain between opposed countries. (dictionary.com)
* a conflict over ideological differences carried on by methods short of sustained overt military action and usually without breaking off diplomatic relations. (merriam-webster.com)

The marriage between Xio Voe and Kudorin would help prevent that (in other words, we would have a partnership, the two nations working together).

However, the gods would never allow a marriage that would cause Orina Anoris to be at open war with anyone, so this just means that everything's going to be all right.  Anosukinom would never be so blinded by love that he'd neglect doing what's good for his nation.
Sure, Anorians will have some trouble with the concept at first.  But the marriage will never be announced until the gods are certain that Anorians will at least accept Xio Voe into their society, and that's not going to happen unless he makes an effort to accept Orina Anoris as his home.

The marriage wouldn't cause open war (the people and the army would go along with whatever the Emperor decides, even if they don't like it/ same for the Anorians). On the contrary, it would help prevent that, and they can start working on these past grudges (the thing with Fet Kailoe may come into play there, at least for Xio Voe).

Of course, it won't be done overnight, and the marriage alone isn't going to do it. Xio Voe and Kudorin (and by extension Jacacea and Orina Anoris) working together is going to do it. It would take years, I imagine (longer than the Rainbow book for sure), before the two nations/peoples can think of each other (without reservations or suspicions) as partners and not rivals.

[JaeFire]

One more thing you guys might find useful and I should have added:

[ITL 83.1]


“I don’t mind a little competition,” Desin said.  “It keeps me sharp, it keeps me focused on providing the best.  I’d hate to be alone at the top, it would make me complacent.  But I don’t like the way they’re coming after us.  If they can stand behind their products, good for them, but this shouldn’t be personal.”

“What if they think that we’re making it personal?” Selorin asked.  “What if they’re fighting back because they think that we’re trying to take their trading partners from them?  Every time that they snatch someone from us, we take someone from them. It’s hard to tell who struck first, anymore.”

Desin glared, his shoulders tense.  “We all know who struck first.  It wasn’t our military camped outside their border for three years.”

“But that was so long ago,” Anosanim protested.  “Think of how many generations have passed.  Orinakin’s there right now, trying to end all of this bickering.”

“More importantly,” Selorin added, “Kudorin and Remin sent him there.  They want to heal the rift between our people.  Our Anorians take their cues from us, and what are they learning from you?  Kudorin wants us to forgive.  He’s asked us to trust Orinakin.  Do you think that Kudorin can’t hear your words, just because he’s not in the room?  Do you think that he doesn’t feel the anger in your heart?  What good is Remin coaching the priests on how to tell the people to forgive, if you’re trying to seek revenge through grain prices?”

“Orinakin just entered the Empire.  I’ve been dealing with them since I ascended,” Desin said, “and so has every other royal agriculturist before me, for generations.  I do trust Orinakin.  I also trust that when I get up tomorrow morning, another one of my contacts is going to tell me that another country’s going to stop trading with us because of the Empire’s influence.  And then I’m going to have to recover that income somehow, and don’t think I won’t have to entice one of the Empire’s allies to get it.”

- Jae

[LilacMajesty]

Falconer, just what do you think a Cold War is?  What do you think we did to the Russians and the chinese?

[Falconer]

Falconer, just what do you think a Cold War is?  What do you think we did to the Russians and the chinese?

  

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

A cold war is:
* intense economic, political, military, and ideological rivalry between nations, short of military conflict; sustained hostile political policies and an atmosphere of strain between opposed countries. (dictionary.com)
* a conflict over ideological differences carried on by methods short of sustained overt military action and usually without breaking off diplomatic relations. (merriam-webster.com)

I think these are the definitions Falconer's using.

-Matthew

[LilacMajesty]

OK  I can see that.  But its also more than that.  Y'all are a little too young to remember when we were actually in a cold war with Russia and China.  The economic part is a big issue.

[SilverMoon28]

My love for History stops a little after 1948, so my knoweldge of the Cold War is slightly limited... but it was my understanding that the U.S. was always the more powerful nation because of all the gold it had made from WW II?  Yes, I know Russia was an ally, but but... hush up and let me make my point. 

In this case, it's not so clear-cut.  Well, in a way it is, because Orina Anoris has an actual god running the country and if he wanted to, he could kick Jacacea off the map.

Anorians don't have an army because they have no need to go to war.  Literally, their gods won't ever let anything happen to them.  Economically, they're perfectly fine.  Remember that quote in... I forget which chapter, where it was mentioned that Anorians exported food simply because they didn't need it?  That's a sign of a mighty powerful nation right there.

However, I'm not saying that Jacacea is completely inferior to Orina Anoris (which it is, simply because Anosukinom is... Anosukinom.  And he's more powerful than the Emperor of Jacacea ever will be and Xio Voe's just gonna have to accept that).  It's the largest country in the world so it may not need to import much either, and they might also export because they have too much of something.

So... Jacacea's bigger, probably because its rulers are so afraid that the wrath of Anosukinom would turn on them that they feel the need to be physically bigger than them.  But Orina Anoris is ruled by a god.

In my opinion, the economic differences aren't really going to be so much of an issue other than, well... it's possible that Jacacea would threaten the countries Orina Anoris is allied with in order to get their way.  But still...

I don't even know if this makes any sense to anyone.  It sounded fine in my head.

Maybe we should make a new thread?

Vani