Playing with Fire and other Bad Influences

[Magical_Jen]

So I was trying to find the discussion that Bade and Orinakin were having about which one of the Eight Siblings were the most troublesome as children, but I couldn’t find it.
However, one point of that conversation always stuck out to me and I did not know if this was something that you all have already addressed in the yahoo groups. Okay you know when Orinakin said that Desin is cheeky behaviour was influence by his cousins and how he uses to juggle valuable things and play with fire.   I keep trying to figure out to what extent Desin is able to play with fire. I mean just saying that he plays with fire is ambiguous, was he setting bon fires, lighting bags of dog poop, or setting off fireworks?

When Bade showed first came to Orina Anoris and was still unsure the power of the Gods, Akanoti snuffed the flame out after Bade questioned there power. Here’s the quote “This isn’t possible,” he insisted, and the flame flared hotly before vanishing in a puff of smoke” ITL, Ch3, P3.

Plus I think it was either Remin or Selorin that said that if some one called for fire to burn down there neighbour house than it would not come. (I cannot remember which chapters this was, I think it might be during the dinner scene of chapter three) never mind got it here it is: “We ask our gods in vain, as well,” Anoremin said.  “If you ask for the fire to light a match to burn down your neighbor’s home, that fire shall not come to you” (ITL, Ch3, P5).

So its has kind of been set up like even if someone did try to abuse Akanoti power  they wouldn’t succeed in doing so because it disrespectful. So I’m not really getting how Desin would be able to play with fire, wouldn’t that be a sign of disrespect?

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

ITL 34.4:

“Desin got in trouble for misguided things,” Orinakin said.  “Remin had the priesthood to prepare for, I had Selorin, Talin had Anosanim, but Desin didn’t have a guiding force in his life, so he was more susceptible to outside influences, like our cousins, who talked him into things like experimenting with fire, or sneaking wine, or spying on belas, or learning how to juggle using expensive crystal balls.  Although trying to hide a calf in the palace was entirely his idea.”

[mc_cart_ny]

...I keep trying to figure out to what extent Desin is able to play with fire. I mean just saying that he plays with fire is ambiguous, was he setting bon fires, lighting bags of dog poop, or setting off fireworks?
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Plus I think it was either Remin or Selorin that said that if some one called for fire to burn down there neighbour house than it would not come. (I cannot remember which chapters this was, I think it might be during the dinner scene of chapter three) never mind got it here it is: “We ask our gods in vain, as well,” Anoremin said.  “If you ask for the fire to light a match to burn down your neighbor’s home, that fire shall not come to you” (ITL, Ch3, P5).

So its has kind of been set up like even if someone did try to abuse Akanoti power  they wouldn’t succeed in doing so because it disrespectful. So I’m not really getting how Desin would be able to play with fire, wouldn’t that be a sign of disrespect?

I don't think that it necessarily would have been disrespect.  He wasn't necessarily "abusing" the fire, I don't think.  They may have been kids/teens just having fun setting fire to bits of paper or maybe trying to be fire eaters or blow fire out of their mouths like at the circus.  And Kudorin likes to make everything set on fire during Tilidosako (although yes, it is to honor the gods and he is a god).

"The Festival of Fire passed, and Desin was right: Kudorin was very casual about setting things on fire, including himself!"   ITL 53.8

~McCartny~

[SilverMoon28]

I think that Desin, like all kids, played with fire because he was experimenting (how many of you played with matches when you were kids?  Come on, fess up).  I'm pretty sure that the gods would have interfered had anything really dangerous been about to happen.  Not that Desin could be hurt by such a common thing as fire.

I wish the gods had had that kind of consideration for me the day I  played with my mom's lighter and a napkin... all I wanted to do was find out what would happen in the flame touched the paper!  I wasn't expecting it to catch fire like that!

That makes me think, though...  what kind of experiments can Desin do with fire?

Vani

[LilacMajesty]

I would guess experiments with paper, as you did.  Maybe burning leaves with a magnifying glass?

[Magical_Jen]

ITL 34.4:
 talked him into things like experimenting with fire, �

 I think it the word choice that make me wonder. "Experimenting" makes it sound so ominous, like if he was  trying to throw fireballs or swallow the fire. If he had said playing with fire I probably would have overlooked it and thought maybe he was burning leaves or napkins in your case Silvermoon28.  It's like if someone is talking about a kid first experience with marijuana, they usually say that he or she was experimenting  with drugs not playing with drugs.

I think that Desin, like all kids, played with fire because he was experimenting (how many of you played with matches when you were kids?  Come on, fess up). Vani

LoL maybe you right Slivermoon28 my friends and I uses to set a ridiculous amount of things on fire for  amusement when we were younger. Actually I can't even say that was something that I use to do "back in the day" because we still have Bon fires in the summer and I still play with matches if I can get my hands on them. I'm not allowed to hold matches and lighters anymore amongst my group of friends.

[LilacMajesty]

I played with a magnifying glass, setting grass and paper on fire.  And Jen - LOVE your icon.

[Magical_Jen]

I played with a magnifying glass, setting grass and paper on fire.  And Jen - LOVE your icon.

 Thanks!
I rememeber when i was really little I saw this thing on tv where a boy had uses a magnifying glass to heat up  a frozen wasp. When the thing woke up I couldn't  understand why the thing didn't sting him.

hmm I just realized that I probably should have used experiementing instead of playing when I titiled this topic.
 I wonder what made Desin stop experiementing with fire. i fined that people stop because the either get bored of it or they do someting so bad that it freaks them out and they stop.  Maybe he accidently set fire to one of Riturihi contracts or was caught setting his mothers favourite rose bush on fire?

[SilverMoon28]

lmao, Jen... I think that the Pharaoh can recreate a bush if it's set on fire... but that's my take on it lol.

Vani

[LilacMajesty]

Maybe he set fire to some of Anosanim's ribbons and made him cry.

[LilacMajesty]

What else do you think Desin did?  Wasn't there mention of him bringing a cow or a horse into the palace?  Maybe he got a little too rough when wrestling with his younger brothers.  lol  I just had this vision of a young Remin sneaking into the kitchens to get more food.

[Magical_Jen]

lmao, Jen... I think that the Pharaoh can recreate a bush if it's set on fire... but that's my take on it lol.

Vani

yeah, your right it would be easily fixible,  but this  hypothetical rose bush may hold some sentimental value. It could have been the first rose bush that she and the pharaoh planted  together after they were married to symbolize their ever blooming love.

Maybe he set fire to some of Anosanim's ribbons and made him cry.

Oh that's a good one.  That would make anyone feel really guilty. I can picture Taling kicking Desin if he did that.

  In one of the chapters of the purple book, there was this really cute scene where Desin was describing how cute anosanim was when he was little when he uses to beg to borrow his pretty green ribbons mm or was it jewlery. anyways the way  Desin talked about  when Anosanim looked at him with his big wide eyes and hopeful expression, Desin couldn't deny Anosanim anything.   So Desin would have to be having a  teen angst moment if he could burn one of Anosanim's pretty ribbons. Maybe he would hide them because just thought of him burning them makes me wibble.


you know the sibiling would have been pretty freaking adorble when they were younger. i just remembered this old post on Rini's MySpace page where Extra was talking about how Selorin uses to punish his  brothers or cousins  did something bad a they would actually have to listen. I mean how freaking cute is that. mm I've got to go look for that post and start a new topic with it.

[Matthew Haldeman-Time]

Maybe he set fire to some of Anosanim's ribbons and made him cry.

I'm shocked at the idea, horrified on Anosanim's behalf, and laughing.

-Matthew

[SilverMoon28]

I'm not sure if Desisn would set fire to Anosanim's ribbons on purpose... I doubt he's hurt his brother that way, because everyone knows how important ribbons are to Anosanim.

Vani

[LilacMajesty]

Maybe it was like in Living, when Nick accidentally on purpose set Kevin's suitcase on fire.